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Article Deletion History
Note: This article is being slowly rewritten to meet the required criteria. AfD Vandals should fix this article, instead of acting out their usual mode of ignorance. 67.136.147.116 07:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion 24 May 2004.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/E-SwordThe result of that nomination was 'Delete'.
This article was nominated for deletion 21 November 2006http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/E-Sword_%28second_nomination%29The result of that nomination was 'Delete' 67.136.147.116 05:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
A Request for creation of this article was declined on 1 January 2007:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/2007-01-01
I would just note that the link in the template above, giving the record of the discussion for the June 2008 deletion request, is incorrect. This is where it actually is. Cheers, Lindsay 15:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Reasons for prior deletions
The 2004 request for deletion had one issue --- that it was an add.
The 2006 request for deletion had the following issues:
67.136.147.116 05:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
The 2007 request for creation was declined as it failed WP:WEB.
Mac lipstick for fair skin. After satisfying all of the above requirements, the article has to satisfy WP:ATT.
67.136.147.116 07:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Need to include the following in the article
List of Reviews in:
List of distributions that include it.05:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
List of:
67.136.147.116 07:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
There are some web resources that do some of the same things.Editors may want to point out some of these, including Bible Gateway, Blue Letter Bible, and the Net BibleRicgal (talk) 06:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
WP:Notability (Software Guidelines)
Distribution
The home page of Ubuntu Christian Edition clearly states that scripts for installing e-Sword are included.
FWIW, their home page lists three Bible Study Programs:
This (Ubuntu Christian Edition) was the first operating system distribution to include e-Sword as an installable package. The e-Sword binary was replaced with scripts to download, and install e-Sword, due to licensing issues. In specific, the license for e-Sword prohibits distribution of the executable file on the Internet from any source other than e-Sword.net.
The issues related to The Sword Project are discussed in that section of this article.jonathon 23:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Resources
I deleted the list of languages that resources are available in from the main article.That list is as follows:
64.40.57.92 10:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
e-sword-users.org
I deleted the statement that ' As of January 2009 they have over 1000 unique e-Sword resources archived, with more being added weekly.' How many resources are listed there depends upon how one counts. (FWIW, http://e-sword-users.org/users/indexpage/resource claims 1301 as 20090205 03:03 UT.) That list includes resources that have been uploaded two, or more times. It also includes resources that were pulled for copyright, licensing, or other reasons. In theory, it doesn't include resources that are listed as 'Non-Licensed or Non-Distributable'. Thus far, the site admins have not published any statistical data about the resources.jonathon (talk) 03:22, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Dead link
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
--Stwalkerbot 23:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Excessive amount of detail
This article really needs to be cut down - there is too much detail about how the software works, its features etc, and that doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. I see that this was already agreed in the deletion discussion in June, but it looks like nobody got around to it yet.. --Bonadea (talk) 07:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Just my opinion, but I find the material useful in evaluating the program. As more people edit the article, it will give a fair estimation of the value of the software.Ricgal (talk) 06:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Platforms
I just deleted a link to React OS in the 'platform' section of the info box.I won't dispute that, in theory, e-Sword runs on that platform. Rick doesn't write e-Sword for that platform. None of the documentation for e-Sword has either a screenshot, or instructions for installing/running it on ReAct OS, or even a mention that it has been run on ReAct OS.
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There are both screenshots, and documentation on how to install and use e-Sword for both Linux and Mac OS X. I _think_ that screenshots showing e-Sword being used on both OpenSolaris and BSD exist.
Should a new sub-section pointing to screenshots of e-Sword on these alternate platforms be added to the article? Adding the data to the infobox is, at best, misleading.jonathon (talk) 18:43, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Utility Programs
Three issues:
Pocket e-Sword Resources
How should Pocket e-Sword resources be covered in this article, since they will remain available for the foreseeable future, even though both development and support of Pocket e-Sword will cease? jonathon (talk) 00:12, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Pocket E-Sword for Andriod?
Anyone have info to add about possible port to Google's phone OS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.219.153.81 (talk) 19:09, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Mac e-Sword
I removed the following paragraph about e-Sword on Mac OS X:«Mac e-Sword (http://www.whatisrazar.com/macesword/) is a package that includes both DarWine, and e-Sword, for installation on Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger), or higher.» because the site appears to be permanently down.
Furthermore, there is ongoing development with CrossOver, to improve performance and functionality on Linux and Mac OS X systems.p (talk) 16:45, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Criticism of Rick Meyers
The current attempts by User:VisionaryGuy and others to add criticism regarding Rick Meyers to this page needs to stop. This page describes the e-Sword Bible study programme. The beliefs of its author(s) and supporters does not belong here. Christopher Rath (talk) 21:18, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
User:VisionaryGuy, e-Sword is simply a computer application that presents material. Yes, Rick Meyers bundles material with the application; but, he is not the author of that material. While Mr. Meyers has personal views about things, this is not germane to the application he has written, and so your commentary on his personal beliefs does not belong on this page. Christopher Rath (talk) 14:19, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
His beliefs (Rick Meyers') is his commentary. His commentary is a large part of e-Sword. If his commentary said that Jesus Christ was Satan, I think someone would be obliged to notate that this 'software' has a page where Rick claims to be for Christ then says on page such and such that Christ is Satan. An absurd example, but trying to get you to understand. Is that clear enough for you?
Now I will do so in a encyclopedia format using sources like you say and not make an original writing my self with scripture but rather quote experts to debunk his incorrect teaching. That good with you?
Now, along those lines. Most book's content is not online. If I quote something from a book, lets say from a library, do I need to mention the page number or just the author and title etc.
Also, Rick Meyers is obviously who wrote that e-sword 'gives power and depth to research.' If that is allowed to be stated (It's marketing) then someone who says that is not the case can say it does not. You can't have it both ways. Rick Meyers is allowed to promote that his theme verse is Matthew 10:8 'Freely you receive. Freely give', That is also marketing and a claim that could be challenged, though I am not. Just making a point. Again, you can't have it both ways.
Lastly, if anyone was to read what I wrote here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=E-Sword&oldid=588870186 I would like to clarify that when I said that chosen must include our part of salvation by Grace, if what I wrote is not clear (I would change it to be clear but that would revert it back to being posted), I am saying that our part is repenting and believing and salvation is a 100% gift as everyone agrees on, as do I. Our part is like showing up (by repenting and believing) to get our present. It is just not clear in that one line I wrote, so I wanted to clarify that.— Preceding unsigned comment added by VisionaryGuy (talk • contribs) 19:24, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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Yes, but he's just changed his site to promote his view of predestination in a more subtle way: http://rickmeyerseswordbelievesinpredestination.wordpress.com/ (I was referring to his old screenshots, I see now, and suppose, those were his own notes he was showing people). But does the public not have right to know what he is promoting, and what the beliefs are to whom they contribute (he, who is all in it to 'feely give?'). — Preceding unsigned comment added by VisionaryGuy (talk • contribs) 22:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
There is no way that Rick Meyers did not highlight predestined and Ephesians 1:5 to make a statement. The same statement that he made last time with his old notes he showed everyone trying to teach what chosen meant, incorrectly, that fits 'just' mentioning Ephesians 1:5 (since that verse alone would lead anyone to believe we are predestined to be saved). It's his freaking company and he is the one who makes/picks the screenshots. He could have chosen 1,000 topics to highlight but he chose that, again. Have to ask yourself, why? I'll drop the topic now. Nothing left to say besides that. Thanks for your patience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.231.199 (talk) 06:09, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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In looking at the section Locating Resources, I am sorely tempted to delete it, in its entirety. In looking at the entire section Users, I think that it can all be relegated to a sub-section under Resources, more specifically 4.3 Third Party Resources. Most of that section would be about BibleSupport.com. p (talk) 09:27, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Rick Meyers = Krystal Meyer's dad
I think it's notable since Krystal Meyers is a pop star 129.180.139.48 (talk) 08:21, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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Since it is notable that Rick Meyers is Krystal Meyers' dad, and that this has been here since 11/8/14, it is then notable that Rick Meyers has his site mirrored under Krystal Meyers' domain, KrystalMeyers.com, as he calls that domian Krystal Meyers - Official Site in Bing, when that is not the title tag of his e-Sword home page (that is called e-Sword | Home), or Krystal Meyers' home page, (called Welcome to KrystalMeyers.com). Therefore the title was inserted at search engine level, after Rick Meyers put his site under Krystal Meyers' domain, as he left Krystal 1/2 of her domain, www.krystalmeyers.com, and obviously has the other for himself, as he calls it her official site.
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